NFC North weekend mailbag
Posted by liang on Thursday, September 8, 2011
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By Kevin SeifertThe NFL labor strife regrettably has fallen victim for that lowest of local community stances: Accusations of lying and half-truths from equally sides. If this element persists to devolve, we may should start up a recurring article that cuts through the rhetoric and finds the reality of an issue.
(First up, theoretically: NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's explanation for why 31 clubs are requiring season-ticket obligations through a lockout: "We're getting ready to hold out for that 2011 season.")
Until then, let's remember it absolutely was Vince Lombardi who said: "Morally, the existence inside the business should be of exemplary nature. this could be one cycle especially where the business should not have criticism."
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[ ] EnlargeGregory Shamus/Getty ImagesLorenzo Booker was amazing through his time since the Vikings' kick returner last season.Paul of Clearwater, Fla., is between the great offer of audience who have been upset all few days which i didn't mention the Minnesota Vikings' Percy Harvin as between the elite NFC North kick returners who may be impacted from the NFL's re-written kickoff rules: Just largely because individuals provide you with crap about reporting inside the Vikings as well an amazing offer doesn't necessarily mean you must undoubtedly leave the most effective danger outside of Devin Hester out inside the topic. sure the Vikings voted in favor, but they may be shooting by themselves inside the foot. You're hanging with a thread dude, seriously.
Kevin Seifert: Well, that's a critically powerful thread if I'm nevertheless hanging by it, right?
Seriously, there is no doubt that Harvin can be harm by this rule -- if he have been on the way to return kickoffs up coming season. I'm not specific that's on the way to acquire the case, however. a whole whole lot more on that in the bit.
Just to satisfy everyone, Harvin has the eighth-best kickoff return common granted the fact that start inside the 2009 period of your time between avid gamers using a bare minimum of fifty returns, based on pro-football-reference.com. His three touchdown returns greater than that span are tied for an NFL high. Harvin has long been as explosive as they come.
But Paul, certainly you observed what happened when Leslie Frazier took greater than as interim mentor last season: He gave newcomer Lorenzo Booker a prolonged glimpse as his kickoff returner. Booker returned 18 kicks for just about any 23.9-yard average, which include three of the whole whole lot greater than 40 yards.
And as Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com factors out, Frazier is providing every one and every indication that Booker are on the way to be his key returner in 2011. Frazier informed Harvin previous due last period of your time that he would like him to concentrate on developing "big plays for us getting a broad receiver" and added: "If you possess a dude like a Lorenzo who provides you something, you don't usually should place Percy back again there."
That doesn't necessarily mean Harvin has returned his last kickoff for that Vikings. But when I think inside the NFC North's key return men, he doesn't come going to mind. I'm thinking about Frazier is on the way to decide on and choose his areas for Harvin, which minimizes the result inside the brand new rules on him.
In what is obviously a coincidence, Von of Texas would like to know what it will hold for that eco-friendly Bay Packers to make trades up inside the draft to protected Texas AM linebacker Von Miller if he is nevertheless offered in the No. 7 or No. 8 basic pick.
Kevin Seifert: I'm not convinced that situation could happen. Scouts Inc., for one, prices Miller since the No. a few of prospect inside the whole draft. But for argument's sake, let's say it does. The Packers would have three obstacles to overcome.
First, you would possess the steep marketing price it will hold to proceed 24 or 25 areas up inside the draft from No. 32 overall. should you go from the more mature draft worth chart, at least, you see the fact that No. 32 choose is worth 590 points. The No. 7 choose is worth 1,500 points, and No. 8 is worth 1,400. That implies the Packers would should "make up" a bare minimum of 810 factors to produce the offer purpose dependent inside the chart.
How steep is that? The remainder inside the Packers' draft -- their assigned picks in rounds 2-7 -- wouldn't be enough. inside the end, a celebration that isn't desperate to make trades straight down may telephone call for that Packers to provide up their first-round choose in 2012 at the same time to this year's first- and second-round pick.
Would you stop trying a bare minimum of three considerable picks for Von Miller? He an amazing offer better be one heck of the lasting Hall of Fame linebacker.
The 2nd obstacle may be the extremely genuine probability that clubs are on the way to be much less stimulated than actually to make trades down. once the NFL lockout is not overturned in federal court, these drafted avid gamers won't get contracts until subsequent a brand brand new collective bargaining arrangement is reached. as well as the brand new CBA is practically specific to consist of the rookie spend scale that will significantly minimize back again the contracts that clubs with best 10 picks will should dole out. inside the past, those people figures have represented between the most effective incentives to make trades back.
Finally, a few of you have recommended the Packers should undoubtedly sacrifice their common emphasis on amount of draft picks if they determine a unique opportunity. This week, I enquired Packers basic manager Ted Thompson about that collection of thought, the type that could compel him to provide up three considerable draft picks for one player.
"I don't necessarily concur with that," Thompson said. "We experienced a quite great celebration on the way into last year's draft, and we experienced 4 college 100 % free real estate property agents make our celebration and contribute to us successful the extremely Bowl. I think the a whole whole lot more picks the better, no subject what circumstance your celebration is in."
Thompson noted the fact that Packers have build moves in current many years to make trades up for linebacker Clay Matthews and safety Morgan Burnett. But those people deals aren't near to what it will hold to draft Miller. I don't see it happening.
My AFC South colleague Paul Kuharsky, obviously sensation the heat of the lockout, posed this question: Who can be the very first choose in the draft of zoo animals?
Kevin Seifert: That's an fast one. A lion may be the king inside the jungle! Roooooooooooooar!
Jesse of Chicago was on the way to acquire mad once the preceding was the only Detroit Lions-related query i experienced been on the way to address: Gotta be honest, i experienced been merely a tiny tweaked that Ndamukong Suh wasn't even inside the report of nominees for most-dominant pass rusher. maybe he's not only a "pass rusher" by some narrow definitions (a D-end or perhaps a 3-4 OLB), but he undoubtedly applies stress and racks up sacks.
Kevin Seifert: The energy Rankings for pass-rushers was challenging enough when we (subconsciously) limited it to defensive ends and outside linebackers. Suh most probable was the only defensive tackle who merited a considerable believed on this vote, dependent a bare minimum of on sack totals. He tied for 17th inside the NFL last period of your time with 10 sacks, but he was the only inside lineman between the best 32 sack guys inside the league last year.
I can only converse for myself, but everyone on my report finished last period of your time using a whole whole lot more sacks than Suh. obviously we're not comparing apples to apples here, but although I believed he was a deserving All-Pro this period of your time for that havoc he wreaked, I wouldn't (yet) consider him between the best 10 pure pass-rushers inside the league.
Carl of Bisbee, Ariz., asks: I am from Chicago and ... i experienced been questioning what can you do on an common morning at work? i realize you are operating difficult in New Orleans best now. But on an common purpose day, what can you do?
Kevin Seifert: Sorry. I couldn't help but think about the overall performance consultants from "Office Space:"
Actually, I do a bare minimum of 16 mins of real, genuine purpose every one and every week. short of dull you using the details, I commit a range of quantities of your time every one morning coming up with content articles for that weblog -- reaching out to contacts, conducting interviews, reviewing the statistics we get after which in simple fact writing. I make an effort to acquire that finished near to what ever family people program I have for that day, so I couldn't in simple fact provide you with an hour-by-hour breakdown.
My purpose program isn't that interesting. The reality is, I chose your query generally so we could revisit one of my selected movies.
Commenting inside the probability the fact that Chicago Bears will seek out a "big" receiver this offseason to complement their present roster, melliott74 writes: I remember many many years ago the Steelers have been searching for a bigger receiver, plus they drafted a "steal" inside the 2nd round named Limas Sweed. You're welcome to hold him.
Kevin Seifert: Well, to acquire fair, Sweed's job has long been derailed for components other than getting a massive receiver who didn't hold out that way. Most notably, he ruptured an Achilles tendon last spring.
But I comprehend what you're saying. As they get ready for that draft and 100 % free agency, I don't think the Bears should undoubtedly over-prioritize height for receivers. All I'm saying may be the simple fact that mentor Lovie Smith is best to be aware that he doesn't possess a massive receiving threat.
Tight complete Greg Olsen could fill that part sometimes, but it's not exactly the exact as getting a speed-based danger who can "go up and get it."Share
(First up, theoretically: NFL commissioner Roger Goodell's explanation for why 31 clubs are requiring season-ticket obligations through a lockout: "We're getting ready to hold out for that 2011 season.")
Until then, let's remember it absolutely was Vince Lombardi who said: "Morally, the existence inside the business should be of exemplary nature. this could be one cycle especially where the business should not have criticism."
The mailbag, Facebook and Twitter stay available for business. On with it ...
[ ] EnlargeGregory Shamus/Getty ImagesLorenzo Booker was amazing through his time since the Vikings' kick returner last season.Paul of Clearwater, Fla., is between the great offer of audience who have been upset all few days which i didn't mention the Minnesota Vikings' Percy Harvin as between the elite NFC North kick returners who may be impacted from the NFL's re-written kickoff rules: Just largely because individuals provide you with crap about reporting inside the Vikings as well an amazing offer doesn't necessarily mean you must undoubtedly leave the most effective danger outside of Devin Hester out inside the topic. sure the Vikings voted in favor, but they may be shooting by themselves inside the foot. You're hanging with a thread dude, seriously.
Kevin Seifert: Well, that's a critically powerful thread if I'm nevertheless hanging by it, right?
Seriously, there is no doubt that Harvin can be harm by this rule -- if he have been on the way to return kickoffs up coming season. I'm not specific that's on the way to acquire the case, however. a whole whole lot more on that in the bit.
Just to satisfy everyone, Harvin has the eighth-best kickoff return common granted the fact that start inside the 2009 period of your time between avid gamers using a bare minimum of fifty returns, based on pro-football-reference.com. His three touchdown returns greater than that span are tied for an NFL high. Harvin has long been as explosive as they come.
But Paul, certainly you observed what happened when Leslie Frazier took greater than as interim mentor last season: He gave newcomer Lorenzo Booker a prolonged glimpse as his kickoff returner. Booker returned 18 kicks for just about any 23.9-yard average, which include three of the whole whole lot greater than 40 yards.
And as Tom Pelissero of 1500ESPN.com factors out, Frazier is providing every one and every indication that Booker are on the way to be his key returner in 2011. Frazier informed Harvin previous due last period of your time that he would like him to concentrate on developing "big plays for us getting a broad receiver" and added: "If you possess a dude like a Lorenzo who provides you something, you don't usually should place Percy back again there."
That doesn't necessarily mean Harvin has returned his last kickoff for that Vikings. But when I think inside the NFC North's key return men, he doesn't come going to mind. I'm thinking about Frazier is on the way to decide on and choose his areas for Harvin, which minimizes the result inside the brand new rules on him.
In what is obviously a coincidence, Von of Texas would like to know what it will hold for that eco-friendly Bay Packers to make trades up inside the draft to protected Texas AM linebacker Von Miller if he is nevertheless offered in the No. 7 or No. 8 basic pick.
Kevin Seifert: I'm not convinced that situation could happen. Scouts Inc., for one, prices Miller since the No. a few of prospect inside the whole draft. But for argument's sake, let's say it does. The Packers would have three obstacles to overcome.
First, you would possess the steep marketing price it will hold to proceed 24 or 25 areas up inside the draft from No. 32 overall. should you go from the more mature draft worth chart, at least, you see the fact that No. 32 choose is worth 590 points. The No. 7 choose is worth 1,500 points, and No. 8 is worth 1,400. That implies the Packers would should "make up" a bare minimum of 810 factors to produce the offer purpose dependent inside the chart.
How steep is that? The remainder inside the Packers' draft -- their assigned picks in rounds 2-7 -- wouldn't be enough. inside the end, a celebration that isn't desperate to make trades straight down may telephone call for that Packers to provide up their first-round choose in 2012 at the same time to this year's first- and second-round pick.
Would you stop trying a bare minimum of three considerable picks for Von Miller? He an amazing offer better be one heck of the lasting Hall of Fame linebacker.
The 2nd obstacle may be the extremely genuine probability that clubs are on the way to be much less stimulated than actually to make trades down. once the NFL lockout is not overturned in federal court, these drafted avid gamers won't get contracts until subsequent a brand brand new collective bargaining arrangement is reached. as well as the brand new CBA is practically specific to consist of the rookie spend scale that will significantly minimize back again the contracts that clubs with best 10 picks will should dole out. inside the past, those people figures have represented between the most effective incentives to make trades back.
Finally, a few of you have recommended the Packers should undoubtedly sacrifice their common emphasis on amount of draft picks if they determine a unique opportunity. This week, I enquired Packers basic manager Ted Thompson about that collection of thought, the type that could compel him to provide up three considerable draft picks for one player.
"I don't necessarily concur with that," Thompson said. "We experienced a quite great celebration on the way into last year's draft, and we experienced 4 college 100 % free real estate property agents make our celebration and contribute to us successful the extremely Bowl. I think the a whole whole lot more picks the better, no subject what circumstance your celebration is in."
Thompson noted the fact that Packers have build moves in current many years to make trades up for linebacker Clay Matthews and safety Morgan Burnett. But those people deals aren't near to what it will hold to draft Miller. I don't see it happening.
My AFC South colleague Paul Kuharsky, obviously sensation the heat of the lockout, posed this question: Who can be the very first choose in the draft of zoo animals?
Kevin Seifert: That's an fast one. A lion may be the king inside the jungle! Roooooooooooooar!
Jesse of Chicago was on the way to acquire mad once the preceding was the only Detroit Lions-related query i experienced been on the way to address: Gotta be honest, i experienced been merely a tiny tweaked that Ndamukong Suh wasn't even inside the report of nominees for most-dominant pass rusher. maybe he's not only a "pass rusher" by some narrow definitions (a D-end or perhaps a 3-4 OLB), but he undoubtedly applies stress and racks up sacks.
Kevin Seifert: The energy Rankings for pass-rushers was challenging enough when we (subconsciously) limited it to defensive ends and outside linebackers. Suh most probable was the only defensive tackle who merited a considerable believed on this vote, dependent a bare minimum of on sack totals. He tied for 17th inside the NFL last period of your time with 10 sacks, but he was the only inside lineman between the best 32 sack guys inside the league last year.
I can only converse for myself, but everyone on my report finished last period of your time using a whole whole lot more sacks than Suh. obviously we're not comparing apples to apples here, but although I believed he was a deserving All-Pro this period of your time for that havoc he wreaked, I wouldn't (yet) consider him between the best 10 pure pass-rushers inside the league.
Carl of Bisbee, Ariz., asks: I am from Chicago and ... i experienced been questioning what can you do on an common morning at work? i realize you are operating difficult in New Orleans best now. But on an common purpose day, what can you do?
Kevin Seifert: Sorry. I couldn't help but think about the overall performance consultants from "Office Space:"
Bob Slydell: You see, what we're in simple fact wanting to finish right here is, we're wanting to acquire a really feel for how individuals commit their morning at work... so, should you would, would you stroll us through a common day, for you?
Peter Gibbons: Yeah.
Bob Slydell: Great.
Peter Gibbons: Well, I often come about in the bare minimum of fifteen mins late, ah, I take advantage of the element doorstep -- that way Lumbergh can't see me, heh heh -- and, uh, subsequent which i just sorta space out for about an hour.
Bob Porter: Da-uh? space out?
Peter Gibbons: Yeah, I just stare at my desk; however it appears like I'm working. I do that for most probable one more hour subsequent lunch, too. I'd say in the granted few days I most probable only do about fifteen mins of real, actual, work.
Actually, I do a bare minimum of 16 mins of real, genuine purpose every one and every week. short of dull you using the details, I commit a range of quantities of your time every one morning coming up with content articles for that weblog -- reaching out to contacts, conducting interviews, reviewing the statistics we get after which in simple fact writing. I make an effort to acquire that finished near to what ever family people program I have for that day, so I couldn't in simple fact provide you with an hour-by-hour breakdown.
My purpose program isn't that interesting. The reality is, I chose your query generally so we could revisit one of my selected movies.
Commenting inside the probability the fact that Chicago Bears will seek out a "big" receiver this offseason to complement their present roster, melliott74 writes: I remember many many years ago the Steelers have been searching for a bigger receiver, plus they drafted a "steal" inside the 2nd round named Limas Sweed. You're welcome to hold him.
Kevin Seifert: Well, to acquire fair, Sweed's job has long been derailed for components other than getting a massive receiver who didn't hold out that way. Most notably, he ruptured an Achilles tendon last spring.
But I comprehend what you're saying. As they get ready for that draft and 100 % free agency, I don't think the Bears should undoubtedly over-prioritize height for receivers. All I'm saying may be the simple fact that mentor Lovie Smith is best to be aware that he doesn't possess a massive receiving threat.
Tight complete Greg Olsen could fill that part sometimes, but it's not exactly the exact as getting a speed-based danger who can "go up and get it."Share
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